Holy Spirit is Person. After graduation, I could have taken specialized massage therapy training in treating vehicular injuries, lymphatic drainage techniques (often needed for women who have had a mastectomy), specific pregnancy techniques, etc.. At one time, I practiced as a massage therapist not far from a “massage parlour”. (like the rest of us don’t have any). Was Johnny’s book, “Demolishing Strongholds” really a number one bestseller? I mean, I certainly hadn't heard this before and I don't think these were public knowledge, but RZIM has denied the statements that the women but they admitted that he owns the businesses. Pastors pay for whatever program they create, similar to Caring Well, along with conferences and such. Johnny Hunt reportedly was mentored by Paige Patterson while he attended Southeastern Seminary. It was a lengthy series called, IIRC, “Foundations”, basically a survey of systematic theology from a classic Reformed perspective. (I assume this location is near the border; perhaps in one city but the post office for the location is in another. Crusades, evangelists, cable tv, radio, “home missionaries,” were all the mix. “Just like an Intellectual Snob, Except CHRISTIAN(TM)!”. Jivan Wellness grand opening in 2009. And he would come in sometimes two or three times a week when he wasn't traveling, and so they would read the books and then ask him questions about faith, then talk to him about their own spiritual journey. Although there are many bad pastors out there, I still believe there are many good ones. Counter one wodge of half baked package dealing with another wodge of half baked package dealing (dialectic a.k.a pincer movement, I know what one of those looks like from the inside). Hunt would not have needed to travel approx 45 minutes from Woodstock to Johns Creek. So that’s India (Hunt) and Thailand (Sharma.). The New Calvinists are very much like this, and it’s destroying them. I have pondered and read every serious word on this post, as I do on all posts here. It is troubling when the Bible is used as camouflage. And the women told me that they read the books. Sproul taught that there is no such beast as a 4-Point Calvinist if such person really understands Calvinism. They don’t pressure you into converting, so there is all the time you want. JDV: The family aspect appears to go in the hirelings / grievous wolves playbook as frequently as the musical chairs aspect. Yes, we probably offend God when we refer to “Christians” falling from grace. I tend to blame abuse on how some churches are organized, like a non-denominational church is essentially “Pastor Bob’s Church” with little oversight. And I think more importantly for the victims, I think to hear that they're not alone. And they care way more about winning some argument than if their neighbor is dying. they were reaching with job creation, here. Imagine having a marriage or friendships like that. Rank and file Southern Baptists have been too trusting of their leaders – many have fallen (Patterson, Pressler, Page, etc.) Daniel Sillman: So apologetics is mostly historically an academic discipline. So that’s India (Hunt) and Thailand (Sharma. I suppose it depends on who “we” includes. View Entire Resource Library This month, RZIM's global team of speakers will engage with millions online on almost every continent, addressing the pressing need for new digital resources to answer the most urgent questions in this time of social distancing. Lowlandseer: the truth of the matter is that we are raging against God and what He clearly teaches in His word. And a lot you probably have, too. Michael in UK: he is being ontologically transubstantiated to the right hand of on high. I know of many women he molested.” Baughman asked Sharma “What was it like to see Ravi preach against sexual immorality while he was being immoral with the therapists?” Sharma responded, “That is probably the reason I killed Jivan.”. “Reform NAMB” raised some questions about the whole deal, citing concerns about a reportedly closed-door meeting between NAMB leaders and Johnny Hunt. The Home Mission Board (HMB) was all about winning souls for Christ and discipling them. He was a sexual pervert. Under his ministry the church grew from about 1,000 to more than 19,000 members. And that he needed to literally masturbate in front of her as a release and as a therapy for the stress that he was under from ministry. All people doing this about people, not God, not the Bible. But I noticed that many of those leaders wanted to pander to their friends, no matter how badly they were behaving. These styles are a matter of personal preference. Like a lot of preachers, he told personal stories and talked about stories about his own life. Additionally, in what appears to perhaps have been a “package deal,” Jim Law was hired by NAMB as Executive Director of NAMB’s  Evangelism and Leadership Group. While we look now through a glass darkly, we should be content with the measure of our own intelligence. And so, he wasn't just a business owner to them. What say everyone? In my opinion, there are many “Christians” who owe an apology to Baughman. Within the evangelical realm, there’s too much talk about grace-this and grace-that (particularly within New Calvinism). In June 1996, Hunt was named the President of SBC Pastor’s Conference. But there are two categories of reformed knuckleheads who continue to disrupt the Church of the Living God: rabid Hyper-Calvinists and rebel New Calvinists. Dint he used to make jeans and after-shave? But do you hear the Spirit? Zacharias … When you take the board exams in one state, such as Georgia, you do not have a license to practice anywhere else in the United States. They all independently and separately said, “We don't want money. However, I think that if a person really understands the other four points and is thinking at all clearly, he must believe in limited atonement because of what Martin Luther called a resistless logic. As Jesus said in His time, Woe to the religious elite who sound good (words, apologists) but live despicable predatory lives, until consequently finding millstones around their necks, to be buried in the deepest sea for Eternity. But I did interpret Hunt to be talking about Ravi’s chronic back pain, not Johnny’s. Everything has to be gospel-soaked/saturated/infused/centered/etc. They DELIBERATELY copied Elron Hubbard? Now this is interesting. There really should be only one Orthodox church in the US. Most stuff has to do with money & numbers (which is also $$$-driven). Prayers, Bible verses, and reference to the ‘City of God’ set the stage for the inauguration of a Catholic president. +++++++++++++++++. RZIM denies the claims, saying in a statement to CT that the charges of sexual misconduct “do not in any way comport with the man we knew for decades.” The organization has hired a law firm “with experience investigating such matters” to look into the allegations, which date back at least 10 years. http://thewartburgwatch.com/2019/05/03/the-secret-exorbitant-and-ridiculous-salaries-of-southern-baptist-convention-leadership-and-celebrity-pastors/, ishy: opposite side of the New Calvinists. Pastor Steven Flockhart’s fall from grace, resignation tied to resume lies: Ravi’s behavior is pretty common for Indian men. “Evangelism and Leadership group” is a bunch of marketing phooey, too. Six months ago, the idea of Ravi owning massage parlors would have shocked me, and Johnny speaking at the opening is so outrageous, I’m not sure anything is unthinkable at this point. — Henry Sanders or Vince Lombardi, Football Coaches, “The Winner is never asked if he has won fairly, only whether He Has WON.” ishy: I’m coming to my own conclusion that knowledge was never the point. It is out of the heart that a person’s words flow. It’s also getting harder to believe that hard working Christian folk still bankroll these guys. While recording the video Baughman was interrupted by a phone call from Senior VP for Evangelism and Pastoral Leadership at NAMB and Pastor Emeritus of FBC Woodstock, Johnny Hunt. they “put down” others that do not agree with them, quite often as the “others” are intellectually inferior… For those in the health area, this is standard: SOAP=Subjective-Objective-Assessment-Plan. “On Aug. 12, NAMB announced formation of the Evangelism and Leadership group….. while Hunt casts vision, stirs passion for evangelism among Southern Baptists and mobilizes pastors and churches ” Why do you even bother to comment at all and to belittle the post with your ridiculous, childish, and useless charade??? But then in 2017 is really when I think some issues surfaced and everyone had to stop and take notice. Pressler is now infamous for his alleged long-time attraction to young men. It is corrupt and going on under our noses in the IT sector. Additionally, course work at Atlanta School of Massage has multiple courses that focus on ethics. Falwell, Sr. might have changed. The Wartburg Watch published an article on September 9, 2020, titled Ravi Zacharias – Working the Kinks Out While Earning Extra Cash for Spreading the Gospel!” This article included a video published by “The Friendly Banjo Atheist” on September 8, 2020. Well, now I have to reevaluate my theory because you actually DO seem to understand Calvinism. And the band plays on…. And that they might take this as a warning. While the doctor was examining me, she noticed I was bruised all over. In Atlanta, the Atlanta School of Massage is one of the largest and most recognized schools for those pursuing a career in various areas of massage, such as pediatrics, medical massage, deep tissue, etc. Most of our IT sector is Indian. I agree, He (Almighty God) is wayyyyyy bigger than we are. I’m coming to my own conclusion that knowledge was never the point. He then owns the institution, controls it, on his own behalf, for his own self-interest. Just go somewhere else. So are many other traditional non-Calvinist SBC leaders who know how to ride the wave of theological change and benefit personally at the expense of mainline Southern Baptists who didn’t ask for a change in the non-Calvinist identity which characterized the SBC for over 150 years. People run in panic from anything that remotely looks Catholic, but they will put up with gimmicky shows you see in mega churches. A Catastrophic Betrayal: The “Greatest Apologist” was the Greatest Fraud, New Sexual Misconduct Claims Surface About Ravi Zacharius, Cover-Up in the Kingdom: Phone Sex, Lies and God’s Greatest Apologist, Ravi Zacharias. . In addition to witness interviews, we have reviewed numerous documents and electronic devices used by Mr. Zacharias over the years…. Jeffrey J Chalmers: I remember “sword drills”! The Wartburg Watch published an article on September 9, 2020, titled Ravi Zacharias – Working the Kinks Out While Earning Extra Cash for Spreading the Gospel!” This article included a video published by “The Friendly Banjo Atheist” on September 8, 2020. Fog machines replaced incense, lasers replaced candles, pastors on big screens replaced icons, “Jesus weejus” prayers replaced liturgical prayers, drawn out expository sermons replaced short homilies, specialty coffees replaced the eucharist, church consultants replaced tradition, skinny jeans replaced robes, among other things. Hunt appeared via videotape at Flockhart’s first service at First Baptist last month and gave a ringing endorsement of his protégé. Lowlandseer: Let’s hope that 2021 will be different. And to be clear, his ownership of the day spas were not a secret? Ishy, do you recall years ago the controversy at First Baptist Woodstock when Ergun Caner preached there? – but it was marvellous stuff, even though he held distinctly unreformed views on some things. I am a little surprised that Hunt was offered a position at NAMB, even with the merger of his ministry into it. In the USA among churches, if a church does actually manage to divest itself from such a leader, it seems he just rises again, taking constituents with him for round two, etc. I always think it’s funny when, particularly the evangelicals, claim something is “biblical” like it’s some grand absolute, and even the people in their own church don’t agree with them on that topic. But it just seems like as his ministry went on, there are more stories that he tells that don't have clear facts and that seemed like they're self-aggrandizing and growing in the talent. ishy: I can tell you that Paige Patterson or Jerry Falwell, Jr didn’t change much at all. I would guess in the $500,000 range. Did the Calvin renaissance bring in money to the propagators? Ravi Zacharias Ministries (December-09-2020) Watch Sermon: How Can I Know God Exists? Max, Organized Calvinism who’s ends are Tyranny and massive corruption of the holy scriptures have infiltrated the SBC, and no good will come of it. So the one woman told me that she sort of suddenly stopped believing in God, and it took her a lot of therapy to kind of recover her faith. With respect RZ,I personally attended several of his “lectures” years ago, and I was lead to believe he had a EARNED Ph.D. and did all the things at the “prestigious English schools”, unlike us “commoners”. Well defined church attendees with few options in the early days, thus, growth, thus programs, thus success for Hunt. (sell books, conferences, new media – DVD’s, etc.) Daniel Sillman: Two of them were not originally and then became aware. Zacharias owned two day spas, where people would go to get massages, facials, or pedicures, in a strip mall in Johns Creek, Georgia, which is a pretty rich northeast suburb of Atlanta. Ravi Zacharias was a popular Christian evangelist who founded the Ravi Zacharias International Ministries in Atlanta. There’s millions. It seems to me that RZ really took time and effort to think this plan out. Mr. Jesperson: Here is a Tweet by Hunt supporting Patterson who was under fire for his mishandling of a rape case and general mistreatment of women. If he is then his discernment and qualification for leadership is in question. Our prayer is that, at his passing, more people will come to know the saving grace found in Jesus through Ravi’s legacy and the global team at Ravi Zacharias International Ministries. Marriage and family is a duty. It’s a new seminary graduate with a few months of cash from Uncle Kevin. Who appears on our behalf within the veil? I remember many years ago going to a “High Church” and very much appreciated the liturgy and all the symbolism… in fact, it was clearly more “Biblical” than listening to many of these “preacher boys”…. They’ve been groomed to be scared of lots of things. I did count four people behind me asleep during the service. Flockhart, 40, submitted a one-line resignation”, “The endorsement from Hunt, the pastor of a 14,000-member church in Woodstock, Ga., was a key reason Flockhart was tapped to lead First Baptist after a three-year search, Mahoney said. Image: YouTube screenshot. And the women that talked to me all said that it was also those people that they were speaking up for. They will endorse it. Kerala is known for therapeutic massages. I believe it was those connections that eventually led to Caner’s position at LU. This varies widely even in the same denominations. Are fog machines and laser shows what church services are reduced to? Also, their HUGE overhead costs make them very vulnerable. Anonymous Baptist: The HMB used to be focused on making converts. Follow our hosts on Twitter: Morgan Leeand Ted Olsen, Why we report bad news about leaders: A note from the editors on the Ravi Zacharias investigation, Follow our guest on Twitter: Daniel Silliman, Quick to Listen is produced by Morgan Leeand Matt Linder. Great post there Todd. Under Ezell, it focuses on setting up new ministers. Macarthur strikes me as one of those people that was always a bit off, but really went off the deep end in the past ten years or so. Not all that ails the denomination can be laid at the feet of Mohler and his band of Mohlerites taking over the SBC. Which then made me wonder if any of their beliefs were really about theology, as they say, or personal bias. Ava Aaronson: It seems pop culture Hybels and a lovely-liturgy-diocese hiding evil clergy, as well as PhD-poser-apologists all share common ground. Photo Credit: Screenshot Ben Shapiro Show/YouTube. So some of the claims that are in the piece have been out for a couple of weeks, and the sexting situation has been known for a couple of years. the subtext in evangelicalism is that no one is really saved, no one’s really legit, except for evangelicals themselves. Like, it might be true, but it sounds a little exaggerated and there's not a lot of evidence. What is “Good” to God? With so many disreputable “massage therapists”, it is no wonder that massage therapists continue to fight the stigma….. Dear Daughter of Stan Emeritus A few years ago I got the Orthodox Study Bible and eagerly read it. And that the only reason that they spoke up is that they believe that there are other women out there who are victims who think that they're alone or think that this is their fault, that they actually did something to cause a great Christian man to stumble, and have blamed themselves or just felt really, really alone in their trauma. Totally different mindset than we have. A touch of charisma, a gift of gab, and a bag of gimmicks will take you far in SBC ranks. There is a New Calvinism pyramid within SBC … Al Mohler sits on the apex. In many of these cases, when you drill down, it seems that the Christian leader was celebrated, and supported by a ministry and assisted in ministry, but there wasn't really anybody holding that person accountable. Wonder if Sproul has a grin on his face now? I know some Christians in New Calvinism who believe they deserve bad leaders because “God said”. Am I being duped and taken for a fool on Wartburg Watch. Were there ever any? Nathan Priddis: I know it’s SBC but it does not announce that info publicly in any way … The name on the church suggest a neo-calvinist ideological view. Obituary: Ravi Zacharias (1946-2020) Details Written by Staff Published: 19 May 2020 When Ravi Zacharias was a cricket-loving boy on the streets of India, his mother called him in to meet the local sari-seller-turned-palm reader. As I’ve said before, LS, I don’t really have a problem with classical Calvinists. Sovereign Grace Ministries CTWeekly delivers the best content from ChristianityToday.com to your inbox each week. That they might see someone who did a lot of good work and who helped a lot of people's faith and then all of this comes out and that they might think, “Who am I to not have a structure in place to be protected or not have accountability? Doesn’t sound like God to me. “Grace” is such a theologically loaded term, and in many instances, it’s not clear that the person in question was ever radically different from what he was eventually revealed to be. Even the small-time operators (non-mega) are feeling the pinch of an over-saturated market (fundagelicalism). Once you are labeled as being on the “wrong side” of something, that’s it. And when they reopened, they have a grand opening and invite some famous people to come. Has Christianity Failed You? It all seems very predatory. My dad told me to never trust a preacher who faked & baked, didn’t wear a tie, and/or wore gold choker chains. I for one, have independently validated at least some of the original posts on TWW, and I take it, unfortunately, very seriously.. Ken F (aka Tweed): I very seriously doubt that acceptance or rejection of Calvinism directly impacts one’s salvation, unless it causes a person to reject God altogether. But people who do the same things by rote every day or week lose touch with the content (and yes, I think contemporary services can be just as rote as liturgical services). Maybe we need new terms, lol. Ravi at Princeton Part 3. podcast. — Adolf Hitler, Cult Leader, Jeffrey Chalmers: PS it is not very hard to go in the lab and do this…. For what it’s worth, Ravi’s spa business partner, Anurag Sharma, told me they also brought women in from Thailand. A trail, a pattern, a predator, a legion of witnesses (victims). Ted Olsen: I do hope that for Christian leaders that there is a and awareness that these things don't stay hidden and that there is help on the other side of these things. This is what they wrote to me for a more India centric view: “Johnny Hunt recommended Steve Flockhart to our old church in West Palm Beach. This is an interesting observation because I have never found a group that identifies itself as Calvinist while at the same time rejecting unconditional election. Could not find anything on the web. I’m sure we are all awaiting the signal. The Bible wasn’t handled reverently, but barely at all, except for being carried in at the beginning of the service. Ava Aaronson: On any case, the work-around of USA labor laws & practices is glaring & definitely not ethical. Re: predation of minors in the church, there is no diverse POV here, thank God; no ambivalence (like in the church at large which can be a hunting ground for predators, unfortunately). COnsulting has become a huge business in the church in general. This post appears to be a serious, informative, and very disturbing post, and all you have to offer is a “1”??? And that the people who know that the solution to sin is in Christ are also the people who should be taking a sin the most seriously. DONUTS!!!! The only way I felt like a foreigner was with the Orthodox culture and tradition. The Bible is handled reverently, it isn’t thumped or waved around like it is a weapon. One verse in scripture turned into paragraphs (in other places chapters) by Calvin. There are people stumbling and falling right now in every kind of church with every kind of church culture under the sun. So the sermons through the year have to be about a lot of topics, not just whatever are the top three or four issues the pastor likes to talk about. Who slew our great Goliath, and rescued us from Pharaoh, discharged our debt, and released us from prison? Prayer Requests You and I must be in the same tribe. Baughman’s review of Razi’s 2 locations indicate that those being flown in could not in any way be certified or licensed to practice in the US. A less vivid, but still pretty firm, memory from that series was one of the lectures on eschatology. Who quickened us when we were dead in trespasses and in sins? A week later, there was a report in the newspaper that the police had raided that spa. Massage Therapist are brow beaten into this part of their profession to never-ever forego the SOAP. These chosen ones take too much pleasure in condemnation of the damned. Caner had a sordid and questionable past and the details were well documented but Hunt, as with many others, ignored this and supported Caner even though he was a “fake”. I would guess the therapists on the payroll were legit (or at least not intending to be in the sex trade), but, as their boss he was in a good position to edge them over the line (and if they complained he would be the one believed, one did get fired for complaining). But who are we to question the esteemed teacher? Those who fell to pieces were not standing on a rock but rather trying to stand on some other faulty human who claims to stand on a rock. But I suppose it is possible that there are groups who reject the core teachings of Calvin while still calling themselves Calvinists. But there is also abuse in highly organized churches. And Ravi Zacharias is a part of that change in the early ’80s. And there is not a moment of time, nor a circumstance of life, in which He does not show Himself strong in behalf of His people. More than that, he beat some of the other megas in the timeline, which I’m sure gave him a competitive edge. I know it’s SBC but it does not announce that info publicly in any way. This is one of the big problems with EO in the US. In the case of Calvinist churches, the good news is some (and only some) have been chosen to be saved from eternity past, and there is nothing they can do to change it, while everyone else has been chosen for eternal conscious torment, and there is nothing they can do to escape it. Speaking of Jesus dying on the cross for our sins … (Anyone remember the Eighties Pat Benatar song, “Stop Using Sex as a Weapon?” That holds for the other S-word, too — SCRIPTURE(TM).). Additionally, according to Hunt’s Twitter account, he is now Pastor Emeritus of FBC Woodstock. The young reformers attach cool names to their “ministries” with no acknowledgment of SBC affiliation. Some of the therapists with whom we spoke worked at the Touch of Eden and Jivan Wellness spas mentioned in the September 29, 2020 Christianity Today article, and others provided treatments to Mr. Zacharias at different points in time. And of course there is a third way: evangelical universalism. He did not have the same kind of personality and he seemed to care about individuals in ways that his son and Patterson did not. If any one again objects—this is making God act with duplicity, the answer is ready, that God always wishes the same thing, though by different ways, and in a manner inscrutable to us. I would say that I first started wondering when looking at some of his personal narratives. This gives the industry a black eye when there are those that care about their profession. video . 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